Why did you decide to leave Salesforce for Ironclad?
First and foremost, the team and culture are two things that I really identified with. Every conversation I had with everybody was really interesting, really strong, and felt really natural. That’s important — you want to make sure that you work with people that you respect and who respect you.
I was also very pleasantly surprised by the diversity at Ironclad. First hire, female engineer; first salesperson, a woman. This is rare, especially for tech companies. It’s really important that Jason and Cai care, and have built a culture where these values are important. This is something that has to come from leadership to really matter.
The other thing that really excites me about Ironclad is the opportunity here. The more I looked into it, the more I realized how big the opportunity is. There’s no obvious current incumbent. There’s no Salesforce for Legal, and there will be. It’s one of the few functions where there’s a lot of upside here. There’s just a lot of opportunity to win momentum.
You can already see some of that momentum now. Look at Ironclad’s NPS. People love the product, and that’s huge. And the product’s only going to grow so much more.
What are you most excited about?
Having an impact. I’m excited to push us to grow and think in new ways. It may feel a little uncomfortable at times, which I think is actually important. I’ve always managed my career this way, but I think it’s healthy to be a little scared of what you’re doing. You’re not going to get everything right, but that’s how you learn, that’s how you grow.
I’m excited to try new things. As COO, you have a broad scope, with different areas being more important at different times. Your day could go from recruiting to budgeting to looking at new offices to thinking about the growth plan. I like that movement and variety.
What are you going to work on when you start?
I think it’s important for me to come in and understand the lay of the land. What’s working now, what are people focused on, how do they interact? And then after that, setting up the team and company for growth. Whether that’s recruiting or infrastructure or critical processes.
And probably putting in the right baseline around metrics and KPIs. Tracking the numbers to make sure we continue to grow at the right pace.